March 7, 2023

Jamie Bateman Opens Up about Personal Adversity, Mindset, and His Road to Success

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With a break from the regular programming, in this episode I share parts of my story as Josh Kalinowski, former pro baseball player and now CEO, interviews me. We talk about what it’s like for me to raise an autistic son, the growth of my mortgage note business and loan servicing business, what I do to prepare myself for life’s inevitable challenges, and my goals for 2023 - all in light of some of the most important lessons I learned from interviewing more than #people on their journey from adversity to abundance.

“I think of Jocko Willink and extreme ownership - people will ask him, well, it's my fault I got cancer or something like that, and what he says is no, it is not necessarily your fault, but it's your, problem.”

“Trying to focus on others, I truly believe, will give you the most purpose and the most value in your own life.”

This episode will also air on the Leading and Living with Impact and Influence podcast.


Tune in as Josh and Jamie talk about:

(00:00) Do sports make you a better entrepreneur?

(04:45) Why I joined (and left) the military

(07:45) How the economy affected my mortgage business

(10:02) Performing notes vs. non performing notes

(12:52) Parenting an autistic son

(17:21) How to get closer to your spouse in tough times

(23:16) What if vs. even if (mindset hack)

(26:44) How to have extreme ownership

(31:43) Why I stopped watching the news

(34:27) Why focus on others


3 nuggets from the episode:

  1. Non-performing notes are notes where you’re buying the debt on a mortgage in which the borrower isn’t making payments. After buying the debt, you would add value so that the note reperforms and you can resell it at a higher price than you bought it to another investor. Performing notes are cash flow plays. Nonperforming notes are exit plays.
  2. Focusing on others is a critical part of getting through adversity. It’s not enough to just focus on yourself, at some point you have to shift your focus to serving others.
  3. Instead of asking yourself “what if” so and so happens, calmly tell yourself that “even if” something you’re dreading happens, you’ll find a way through.



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 Check it out today. Labrador All right. Jamie Matt, I am excited to have you on the show today, brother. I am really excited because of what we're going to talking about. Our audience has no clue there, thinking her to talk about entrepreneurship, and it's like kill it in business. And we're going to highlight a little bit of what you're doing. And what you're seeing is in success for success in those in the industries that you serve. But you are a, you're a Collegiate All-American. You are a retired military officer as well to you run multiple companies. Now you're a father, a And you wear many hats and you continue to strive for excellence in your life which I absolutely love. Give our audience a little bit of a background. You know what you did in college? How you got into the military and then really, maybe fast-forward as to how you got to the.

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 Positions that you're holding right now? Sure, I didn't make it to the pros, like, some of us on this call but now I, you know, Sports was always a huge part of my life growing up and actually, I did play baseball for 46 years as A kid and loved it. Really did I loved it? My father was a lacrosse referee, though. I am wearing, Maryland, which is kind of one of the hotbeds of La Crosse, if you will, and he never pressured me to try lacrosse. But then one year I played both baseball and Lacrosse and it was no contest. So I just loved the kind of action of it and everything and fast-forward really focused on the cross as far as other than, you know, outside of academics and got pretty good. We were, I went to Gettysburg College. We one point, we were my senior year, we were number one in the country, and we ended up like to reminisce. So, thank you. We were number one. And we actually beat both the teams that were in the national championship. But those were the Glory Days, it really, you know, had a major impact on, you know, on me and my just kind of foundation and just being a part of a team and being a part of something bigger than myself. Elf was instrumental and I think who I am today. So yeah, I mean it was as, you know, ton of time and work and, you know, effort and goes into becoming good at a sport or any kind of craft like that. So I think one thing we might touch on is once I got, you know, everything kind of came crashing down, and maybe not quite as dramatic as your situation was, but I did have a lot of ideas. Entity wrapped up. My Denny was really wrapped up in sports and then it was boom. Gone overnight. So we can talk about that. But yeah, that's kind of some of the background as far as how, you know, my how lacrosse was a big factor in my life.

Speaker 1


 Now you went from there and did you go into the military right after?

Speaker 2


 College? I did not, I didn't know what I wanted to do and eventually got a quote unquote, real job. And at that was actually in the Title industry and then I worked for a mortgage broker for a while. You know, I did try coaching lacrosse for a bit but wasn't making enough to really make it worthwhile. Yeah, the military came into play when fight at my W2 and I just said I just want something again big or with a little more purpose. I want to do something. I don't want to just earn a paycheck. I want to make a difference and I think a lot of I am sure your audience can relate to that, so I actually Joined the reserves. Technically, I ended up doing about four years of active duty time within my reserves 8 years. Served in Iraq and went through Federal Officer. Candidate School ended up getting out as a captain very happy that I did the military service and was able to serve in that capacity and became a much better leader, a better man because of it. I am also happy I am no longer in the military. So it was really a matter of trying to do something you know serve a greater cause I guess that was the reasoning behind it.

Speaker 1


 You know I love it. We talk about this all the time in our man-made group. I think that men need a vision for their life and I think that a lot of the reasons why we find ourselves especially as men trying different things and going in different directions. Some of them not healthy for us is because we lack Clarity, we lack of vision, for our life, and to be able for you, to be able to go to college. Have that vision of what you want to do with La Crosse, work at it on those skills become an All-American and then of course as you got into life, you realize that you needed that structure again. And so that's why the military was an attractive Avenue for you. And in a first of all, you know, thank you for your service. We need great men and women to be serving on the front lines for us, we know kind of where we're at as a country. We know what the world is doing and you're right? I mean, it kind of made a comment about like, I am you're glad you're in, you're not in Now and then I don't know if you're talking about just because of all the crap that they got going on in military. But I haven't imagined that's probably some of the to have just seen the success or the certainly, some of it. It's as well.

Speaker 2


 That I am I just turned 47 years.

Speaker 1


 Old. Yeah. Well that's true too, right? We're not getting any.

Speaker 2


 Younger but the reality was it was I had a lot in this. We can get into kind of entrepreneurship as well, but just a lot of going on with family and just like with anything else. The higher up, you go not. You know, I wasn't I was a captain, it's lower. Officer, you know, not crazy high but the higher up you go in anything. The more responsibility you get in. The more commitment is it's required of you and frankly, I got out because it was starting to take too much away from family time. So that gets to priorities and vision and that kind of thing as well. So.

Speaker 1


 Whenever I now you have two companies, you one of your companies, you buy mortgage notes. And then another one you actually do Loan Servicing as well too. If you know that the like right now that's got to be an interesting Market to be in right now. I know that you guys are successful. You guys are doing really well still, but I got imagine like just with the volatility of where rates are at some of it is, I mean, have you been concerned about what the future of what business looks.

Speaker 2


 Like at all? Well, there was a certainly with covid. There was a some slow down with regard to transactions and things like that. But the reality is we on our mortgage note side of things, we buy notes that have been originated for probably one to ten years. So the truth is, it really didn't have a major impact on our operations. We have two different note funds. One that's open currently still for investors, and so we do raise capital, and we do put those funds to earn a preferred return and hopefully more than that for our investors, but it really didn't Have't affected things on our side, you know, and actually, I do think we're starting to see an uptick in non-performing notes which is part of our business model. So if anything, I do think there's more opportunity on the horizon for the non-performing note investor. And, you know, unfortunately, with inflation and slow down the in the economy and a lot of other factors, some more and more. We're seeing delinquencies rise. Yeah. With regard to all kinds of debt, but we focus on first lien mortgage notes, that's really my bread and butter. Right now, I have a background in single-family rentals as well, but we also started this Servicing Company and I think I need to make it a little more. I know you talked about on my podcast, Josh talked about the spokes of the wheel that you have going on with your own businesses and in some ways, it's similar where everything we do, relates to single-family residential investing whether that's The physical real estate as a rental property, or whether that's mortgage note, investing, or whether that's Loan Servicing, they're all kind of connected in some way.

Speaker 1


 Gotcha, would you said, you said a Fraser and I just want our audience to understand exactly what it is. The non-performing notes would. Yes, would you just talk specifically and what? That.

Speaker 2


 Is? Absolutely. So I like to break this down as a lot of people are familiar with single family, rental properties. And also maybe a Fix and Flip on an on the house, right? Right rehab and sell the loan so that sell the property rather. So non-performing, note to answer to your question is much like a fix and flip on a property. The difference is, we're buying the debt. So we actually become the bank, I am not a bank, but we step into the shoes of the lender who originated that loan, the borrower is not paying, or there at least 90 days delinquent. So, most of your audience, probably pays their bills for the most part, I would guess. So, in some way, Maybe a little bit surprised to hear that people just don't pay their mortgage. Well, that does occur. And in the non-performing notes space we can buy a note at a significantly discounted price because it's too distressed asset. Just like a distressed property that has issues and needs to be fixed. Right? Fixed up the non-performing side, we can buy that debt at a maybe fifty percent of the principal balance. Add value to that note. And that's the whole, you know, podcast episode in and of itself. Sure. But and then there are many different ways to exit that asset. So let me just kind of recap for a second. Performing notes are much like cash flowing rental properties. They keep the lights on, you get a payment every month, you're buying that for yield, okay? So which is, which is important. And non-performing notes were buying the debt on a note or mortgage that the borrower is not making payments. How do we you know we have to add value to that asset either by getting it re performing and then selling that as a re performing note to another note investor at a price point higher than what we paid for it, right? Or potentially exiting through foreclosure a deed-in-lieu of foreclosure. Maybe we get a payoff, maybe they file bankruptcy, you don't always know. But if you're buying right, you know you should be able to make a profit. So the non-performing notes, it's more of a more clear entry point and more clear exit point. I should, you know, as far as you're trying to add value and then sell for profit. Performing note, it's a cash flow play. So you can sell it whenever you want. As long as you know, it's your not going to add value to it. If you paid Market, you paid retail for it, you're going to sell it for retail. Very similar to a rental property in that regard. Yeah, I.

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 Love the analogy. So I think those are really good people, understand a lot, especially on our podcast. A lot of people understand the real estate world. They have got Reynolds themselves, so that's a really good analogy to break that down. All right? So let us move on it. To really what I am excited about talking about? You mentioned a little bit earlier of your podcast adversity, do it, but intense. And yeah much like I think much like both of our podcast here. What our audiences want to hear is they want to hear that the rawness I think and people, and they want to know that they're not the only ones on the island that are going through challenging times and as great of a success story, As you have when it comes to the businesses that you're running the, you know, the stuff that you did is a Collegiate athlete. Obviously getting into the military as well too. You have got an amazing wife, you got great children but you go through challenges and you go through some adversity and one of the things that we you and I were talking about is you have a son that's autistic and that you know, that pulls at my heart strings. I have got a brother that has a, an autistic son. And I know the challenges that they're faced with onto just a day-to-day basis and I would love for you to just kind of to share with our audience. You know, what do you got? What do you go through that? Probably people don't know about, but you're able to thrive through it. Not saying that it's always easy, but you made a conscious decision that is not going to Define how you're going to live your life in a.

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 Negative tone. Yeah. I mean there're many ways. I could approach that it is look, I completely agree with you. And I really appreciate that this sentiment. As far as life isn't, all rainbows, and butterflies and unicorns, and yeah. And that's really what my podcast is about as well. Like you mentioned, it's facing the reality that we all go through hardship, we all go through adversity, that's both on the business and personal side. I don't believe in overnight successes, anybody who's a success has gone through lots of And tribulations, so it's difficult in the moment, you know, certainly always is I am not seeking out necessarily seeking out a diversity and I don't want more problems, right? But you do have to in talking with other people and understanding what other people are going through. You do come to realize look no one's guaranteed, an easy life, we're going to face challenges, so it that to me is comforting to know that this is expected actually, so it's not a surprise. We don't know how that's going to materialize. But specifically with our son it has gotten more challenging in the last few months, and we have had some serious struggles with regard to you know, him not speaking. And I am getting more aggressive and things like that. So we're working through that but I did just I mentioned to you before we hit record I spoke with someone just you know 30 minutes ago who's going through a very similar situation and it's helpful to know that like you said, I am not on an island. There are others going through this. Their people who have it much worse frankly. So Yeah, you got to keep that focus on your North Star if you will. And you know, there are positives that have already come out of this. My wife and I are closer because of it certainly, there are times when we feel like we're further apart, because it, but we have kind of gotten on the same page and I think our relationship is stronger because of the challenges with my son. So, you know, it's yeah, it's a challenge, It's Not Over, You know, but I don't think anything in life. Anything that's easy. Really doesn't have. It doesn't have much value anyway. So I know that positive things are going to come out of this, and we continue to have hope so. Yeah, I mean, it's a, it's a.

Speaker 1


 Challenge that's so good. I love that you brought in there that you have hope because it's really been a theme already for this year. I was talking to once again, as you and I spoke earlier, but I was talking to you our team earlier this week about, you know, we're 12 days into.

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 You are a.

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 Couple weeks into the this new year and I know a lot of people are already gotten derailed. I know that a lot of people went into this, you're going. Okay. This is the year. I am gonna change and I do this and are motivated and then life happens and distractions, come into place and some of them are there, they're hard. Some of them are things that just completely sideswiped you know, family issues Financial issues, things that you didn't expect or things that you thought were over. I mean, I was listed as talking to Buddy today, and he's like, man because I am already over 2023, and I am like, dude is way too early like can't. Help us get out of that mindset yet. What do you do? What do you do it? I love that. You brought in the fact that you and your wife through these challenges have made a decision and are very aware of the fact that you're growing closer to each other. But what are you doing to make sure that you are moving forward? Even in those times of distress, even in those times of challenges, that challenges that can seem insurmountable.

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 I think we have well, All right. You want to know? That's why I asked the question. So, we did actually go through a counselor ourselves and, and it's been really good. And, you know, we have been much more intentional with kind of how we approach each other and been much more appreciative. It's easy to say this. It's hard to describe what that means, but I think just through all of these challenges probably started with, you know, covid-19 and all this or the just a lot of stress related to everyone being at home and all that. And then with our, our kids being extra challenging, or at least it's challenging. Because the next kid, I guess, maybe we eventually decided that our relationship was too important to not have some professional help and it wasn't a matter of, you know, I am out of here tomorrow, you know, blah, or something like that, but reality is you have had coaches as an athlete. I Really good coaches and as an athlete, why would we not have a coach helping us through this very important relationship? I mean, and I think it's really I think it's helped my daughter, see that a healthy relationship when you know what that looks like in the household. And so we work through a therapist to be honest with you and then and set some things in place that have really benefited us. And now it's like yeah, we still need to be intentional about that but That's a huge stress relief. Right now is knowing that my wife and I are on the same page and now we can work, you know, through these issues as a team. And that I guess that's if there's anything we can take away from this or at least I am hoping your listener can take away is that? And I would see this on my podcast. How do people get through adversity? Yes, you need to focus on yourself at some point. Yes, you need to acknowledge that you have things going on a personal level. If you don't want to pretend, you don't have problems. Every single one of my guests and this is true on your episode as well. Josh is at some point, they focused on others and serving others, and being a part of something bigger than themselves, whether that's a team, whether that's a family, what? You know whether that's just their organization at work to me. That's an absolute critical piece to Getting through adversity, so I am hoping that.

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 Helps. Well, I got to tell you buddy, that thank you, first of all for saying, what you said about you and your wife and the assistance that you guys get, because I will say, I think more and more, it's common that people are feeling comfortable getting somebody else involved in the most important relationships in their lives. And it shall be that way. You know, I am a hundred percent agree with you. I don't care how healthy you think your relationship. The ship is, if you are not growing at the level of that you want to in your personal life, with yours relationships, those like you should be bringing somebody in. And I will be honest with you to locate my wife and I we have an amazing relationship. But there are moments there are times when it's not the healthiest. There're times when I am not the healthiest there're times when she struggling, and we have to have those hard conversations. In fact, we had I think there was about, it was about a month ago, holidays are always stressful, right? Anytime you get into these significant times of the year when there's just so much pressure there, so many things going on in life. If you're not communicating and you don't have the ability to do that, you find yourselves getting distracted with life and then you find yourselves kind of slowly moving apart and that communication is gone. Then of course, so many other things in those relationships are gone. And yeah, I mean she and I had that conversation. I mean, I told her I would like I am willing to do anything if we want to, if we need to go talk to somebody just so that we can verbalize the challenges that We're facing the things that we love for each other to grow in to help each other and complement each other with. Yeah, I got a couple of.

Speaker 2


 Couple things, couple things come to mind. One is just the act of, you know, I think my wife appreciated the fact that I was willing to speak with a counselor and that goes a long way just the fact that we did it, right? Yeah. And so then it means okay, I am willing to set aside some Financial investment and a Time investment for our relationship. That means something And then, you know, secondly, just, you know, this goes back to kind of knowing that you will go through trials and tribulations but life has seasons. And so just because maybe you and your wife are not doing great this month, that doesn't mean your relationships over, you're doomed, you know, and I am not necessarily speaking, just to you, but just know that, you know, you might have a year. That's not so great. Yeah, that's yeah. It's not ideal but that Happens and so it's okay to know that know you're going to come back together and it you know, you as long as you both you know actually I remember this goes back to my young life days a lot of years ago but somebody had the guy who was a mentor kind of had he drew a thing where I was like God was at the top and then you and your spouse or you and your significant other were more at the bottom parts of the triangle. And as you move closer to God, individually you actually move closer together as well. So that's another Metaphor or analogy to keep in mind as well.

Speaker 1


 Well, what do you do? As you're fine, as you are going through, trials and tribulation, as your to you continuously, try to grow your companies. And of course, there's always setbacks and that whether it's an economic setback, whether it's a financial setback, whether it's a partnership setback. There's always challenges that we're facing. What are you doing to make sure that you are prepared for those challenges to the best of your ability?

Speaker 2


 Yeah I mean I think one thing I have learned is to Try to say. You know, not what if, but even if. So I learned that from one of my podcast guests as well, which is, you know, not what if this happens, what if this? Because that's how you just build up anxiety and fear over things, that probably aren't even going to materialize. Yeah, but what you can say is even if, you know, even if that happens, we will find a way. So, that's just a minor but important mindset hack. Yeah, I mean, one of the things, you know, I think, Year for me. I am really I am not trying to I am trying to focus on quality over quantity. I am trying to tighten up our processes within our businesses. I am also trying to focus on my own health and it doesn't mean I am totally unhealthy, but I guess these things, you know, the challenges we faced with in our family and within I have had partnership challenges in business as well. These situations have really helped me. We put things in perspective and help me prioritize, so I guess that's what I would say. To answer your question is, I am really focused on kind of doing the, you know, the Pareto Principle. I guess of the 80/20 rule where you're focused on the 20% that gets 80% of the results. I am not trying to do everything this year. I am trying to really focus on priorities, and that is family health and the B, the parts of our businesses that are working. Well, so, So not sure if that answers your question, you can't anticipate every challenge. I don't exactly know what's going to happen in our businesses, you know, in 12 months from now. But I am confident that you know, that we're going to continue to do well and I think just keeping in mind too. Serving others. And you know, it's easy to say that, right? But really trying to serve your investor, or serve your client, or serve your team that you're working with. I think is if you help enough, I think it was exact card. If you help enough people get what they want, you will get what you want. Yeah. So you're trying to just kind of be a good listener and be a good leader and just be ready for what comes. You don't know what it's going to be, but you know, will weather the storm?

Speaker 1


 Absolutely well. Well, I, it sounds a lot like what you're trying your doing now, what you're committed for 2023 is exercising, your no muscle a little bit, you know, I think that their seasons of life where you have to start exercising. The yes, muscle in order for you to look at to get into those opportunities of growth and start to say yes to those things. But then it gets to that point where sometimes that can be overwhelming and now you have to look at what season you're in and that I am that, that ability to say no to those Wild Goose chases or to say hello, to those things. In those projects that you believe that you really should be doing divert you away from the 20% that you talked about and I think that's really good. It seems like that's a season that you find yourself in. Do you love that? Yeah that's great. Do you find do you do a word of the Year by?

Speaker 2


 Chance? I don't maybe I.

Speaker 1


 Should. Well it wouldn't be a bad idea. I have just had a lot of conversations that John Gordon and I know they had another Gentleman on it but as John Gordon, one word, one word for your year as B is the book. It's a super easy like a it's a three-bathroom book. So by the time you got every time you read that soccer and it but it's really great thing because it gives you once again that vision for and I will he's helps you get a word for the vision of what you want ya to I have listened to.

Speaker 2


 Some of his Is podcast. He's super positive. I have read a lot of his stuff, and he's very encouraging and inspiring. So yeah. That's I should Implement that. Do you have one this year? I.

Speaker 1


 Do. Yeah. We have been doing it in our organization. So, one of the things that we have discovered is that it's so important for the people that come into our organization, whether they are like a staff member or somebody that's that is a part of leadership or if they're an agent, or they're part of one of our organizations, we always give them the book because we want them to Identify the word that inspires them in all of those areas of life, that what you talked about business, health and life. We talk about five foundations, but you can break it down to just business health and life. And for me, you know, it's always a process to discover that word. I usually take the end of the year to do it and it sometimes it comes to me, within 24 hours. Sometimes it comes to me in like 24 days and this year's word is not sexy at all. It's just kind of interesting weird word but it means so much to me and the word is Overflow. And it really comes from a story that happened to me when I was with my youngest daughter. Who's 9 years old? I was getting ready to get into the ice barrel and as I was kind of complaining to her a little bit how cold it was going to be in the morning. Yeah, she didn't want to have anything to hear about it, and she literally, just looked at me, and she just said, you know, Dad you chose this, and it was just such a great, so good, such a good coach. Time. You know, like to thank you for that. I needed that kick in the butt, right? And so awesome. It's a lot like what we talked about today and that's why I was so excited to be speaking with you and thank you for being open and vulnerable. Is that everything in our life? We have chosen right? We might not have chosen the effects of all of the stuff, right? Like you do not choose the fact that your son has autism but you and your wife had chosen to have a child and you have this beautiful amazing. Raising boy, that is just going through a challenging time in his life which is impacting you, but you have chosen to be a father, you have chosen to be a husband, you have chosen to have these businesses in your life and a longer sometimes, right? A lot of times we play victim to it.

Speaker 2


 Yeah, I love that it is, you know, I think of Jocko will link and extreme ownership and you know, people ask him will. So it's my fault. I got cancer something like and it's like, no, it's not necessarily your fault, but it's, it's your problem if you will, and he doesn't say it like that. You got to know you got to own it. Yeah, exactly. It's exactly, it's your choice. How to respond and you get it on your situation? I mean that's and I do find that liberating frankly because I don't there's no one else to blame, you know, it is what it is. Let us take ownership and do what we can to move forward. And I do think again, there is a time to maybe not even wallow but there is a time to recognize. Look this sucks. This sucks, right? This is Terrible. Yep, right now but I think what gets you moving forward? Mentally even is action. Just one step in the direction and then maybe you could it, make it make a change. But so taken and to me that's part of taking ownership, which is what you're talking about. So, so how did it? So overflow is plays into that.

Speaker 1


 Yes, overflow plays right into it because I looked at all of those foundations in my life and I basically looked in Had that, you know, I am responsible for how I show up in every one of those areas and what it, how do I want to show up? And for me is, like, I want to overflow. I want to have overflow in my faith. I want to own flow in my faith Within Myself. I want my presence to overflow when I walk into a room so that people know that I am excited to be there. One of them overflow, in my relationships with my family, my fitness, my finances, and, of course, the future that I see and that I want to Envision in my life. And so, to me, it just gives me power. It gives me excitement to be doing the things that I know that I am called to do, or that I need to do in those areas of my life, so overflowing and every one of them. And I was like, we always talked about our cups being dry, right? Where comes just like oh my cup is half empty. My cup is completely dry right now. Yeah, to me the vision is always about the water just overflowing that in that cup. And that's the mentality that I have to.

Speaker 2


 Have one if I could have just briefly speak. And there were probably starting to wrap up here. Yeah. In 2015, is when I went part-time, I worked for the Department of Defense, which came out of my military service. I was, I was a civilian for 14 years from 2015, until March of 2022 because I ended up leaving my W2. Last year, I worked part-time. All that is to say that I made a big mindset shift in 2015, where I stopped watching the news. I mean, I was watching cable news, you know, but it's like, Every night. I mean, and just stop paying attention to all this nonsense that I couldn't control. And what I am getting at is look that political issues are important, that war is very real. They're very real Global issues that I am not pretending don't exist, right? But reality is we have a lot more impact and ability to impact in a lot more control over things. Right around us than we give ourselves credit for and one of the steps. The first steps at least for me was to let go of the things I couldn't control. And so stop worrying about these Global issues. That personally, I don't have any control over stop worrying about, you know, somebody else's family. Maybe pray for them or something, but I don't have any control over that. It's because that's a victim. My mindset our mentality is, or at least that's a weak place to live, even if it's not a victim mentality, it doesn't allow for me to take action and create impact. T', bring that focus a little bit closer to home and realize actually, I have a lot more ability to impact my family. My friends, my neighborhood, then I do if I am focused on all these much, larger Global issues. So that's just something that really helped me. What I started to do, was look around say, you know what? I am gonna start buying rental properties. My father has been a real estate agent for decades. My brother was a loan officer still is I worked at a title company. So, did my wife? You It's thinking pointing to the strengths and your team around you. And you start saying No, this is what I have going for me. And it's impossible to feel like a victim when you are focused on those, you know, that gratitude and the things that are in your corner. So just want to throw that in there because it was a big shift for me mentally. And I think that can hopefully help your listeners as.

Speaker 1


 Well. Yeah, love of brother. I appreciate it, man. Well, as we do, wrap it up, good things. Want to, just want to remind people that You do have your podcast adversity to abundance everybody going like that up, you can find that and all of the outlets for podcast, you know, Jamie. As we, as we end the podcast, I would love for you to just pour into our people. I you just gave me some great advice about, you know. Hey, listen, stop paying attention to the things you can't control. Start paying attention to things, you can't control, but pour into them right now. Once again, like I said, we're a couple weeks into the new year. Some people are getting distracted by car because of the things, Happening already in their lives. That maybe they weren't anticipating some of them. Some of them are not motivated anymore even though they have these big goals that they want to achieve pour into them if you don't mind. As we, as we wrap this.

Speaker 2


 Up, I mean, I think it's all about, you know, taking understanding who you are, but more importantly life is all about relationships and serving others, and being a part of something bigger than yourself. So, look around what matters to you. It's the people in your lives, right? So, how can you show up for them? I mean, that's really what. But what gets me out of bed in the morning is trying to be the best. Father, I can be the best business owner. I can be to help serve my team and I try to say this to my son. We're not quite there yet. But you know just trying to focus on others. I truly believe gives will give you the most purpose in the most value in your own life. So entrepreneurship I know your listeners are you know, largely entrepreneurs, it's not always easy and frankly it's not Everyone and so, you know, I think a lot of it has that regard has to do with understanding who you are, and who you're trying to serve. But it's all about, it's all about people. I mean, that's really what it. My biggest takeaway is.

Speaker 1


 100%, buddy. I love it, man. You're absolutely right. It is all about people and for all of you that are listening to this hey go follow Jamie, you know that he's got some great stuff out there. As podcast is amazing, he's got great guests on it. And then of course, Course obviously, you guys know the price of admission for this podcast is to share it. Somebody that you know somebody that's in your circle needs to hear these words of wisdom. I loved it when he talked about the not. What if how about try the even if those things happen in life? So all right. Absolutely. Love you all have a fantastic rest of your day, and we will talk to you soon.

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